Forum MVP Supplicated Velvet Thunder Posted July 13, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 In the interests of being a good friend to my friend, I have to say that male circumcision REALLY pisses me off. It is one thing for people to mutilate their bodies as adults, but for a baby's body to get mutilated because of the parent's religion or brainwashing is pretty sad. REALLY sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP comesatime Posted July 13, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Rest is always a good thing.....but remember boredom is its brother. and boredom can cause some bad shit to happen , trust me , I know stuff about things ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawdoc Posted July 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 In the interests of being a good friend to my friend, I have to say that male circumcision REALLY pisses me off. It is one thing for people to mutilate their bodies as adults, but for a baby's body to get mutilated because of the parent's religion or brainwashing is pretty sad. REALLY sad. Mrs. Egg I appreciate and respect your comment. Through out history various cultures have practiced male circumcision. Perhaps someone like Cave Man could comment on how this issue is dealt with in his Clan or what he has experienced on his many walkabouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP comesatime Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Mrs. Egg I appreciate and respect your comment. Through out history various cultures have practiced male circumcision. Perhaps someone like Cave Man could comment on how this issue is dealt with in his Clan or what he has experienced on his many walkabouts. this is right in Cavey's wheelhouse ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP arm Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 In the interests of being a good friend to my friend, I have to say that male circumcision REALLY pisses me off. It is one thing for people to mutilate their bodies as adults, but for a baby's body to get mutilated because of the parent's religion or brainwashing is pretty sad. REALLY sad. What's the "brainwashing" you're talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lisacat Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 In the interests of being a good friend to my friend, I have to say that male circumcision REALLY pisses me off. It is one thing for people to mutilate their bodies as adults, but for a baby's body to get mutilated because of the parent's religion or brainwashing is pretty sad. REALLY sad. Actually taking this point seriously----I always find this topic interesting because I've never really seen much debate on it until recently with the proposed ban in San Francisco. I don't know a whole lot of history around it but obviously it was born out of a religious tradition and now is a societal standard in the US. I don't believe many European men are circumcised. I understand the religious tradition, but most circumcisions in the US are not done strictly because of religion. There is some medical literature out there stating that it could prevent STDs and infection. My biggest problem with it is bringing a newborn into the world and subjecting him to that pain (and violent energy) straight out of the womb when it may not be entirely necessary. On the other hand, perhaps the boy when growing would be upset he looks different than the others or have bedroom anxiety. I would imagine this could be a tough decision for a parent to make. I've never heard a man wish he was never circumcised nor have I heard a woman complain that a man wasn't circumcised. Being female and having no experience in such matters, I would not know. Maybe snipped men are happy without a shar-pei. Perhaps we can get a poll going. http://www.medpageto...Parenting/27241 I take a 2 month break from the board only to come back to talk about penises. I knew I had to wait for the right moment. Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP comesatime Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Maybe snipped men are happy without a shar-pei. Perhaps we can get a poll going. I take a 2 month break from the board only to come back to talk about penises. I knew I had to wait for the right moment. Peace " shar-pei ", thats a good one , Lisa ... I'm surprised no one posted any pictures yet , or maybe not ... you know how we do with polls here , it could get pretty hairy , so I'm all in if it happens ... and timing is everything , but you were noticeably MIA and missed ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP chuckvegas Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 And in the interest of gender equality, while I haven't had any personal experience with it, I've heard bad things about female circumcision. Thoughts? Poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP comesatime Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 And in the interest of gender equality, while I haven't had any personal experience with it, I've heard bad things about female circumcision. Thoughts? Poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Teacher Matt Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 I am glad my parents snipped me .... and if I ever have a son he shall also be snipped ... not because of religion or brainwashing but because chicks dig it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lisacat Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 because chicks dig it.... I'm not sure chicks care either way. We're far less picky about looks than you fellows and from the pictures I've seen I wouldn't describe male genitalia as pretty to begin with. Here's another good opportunity for a poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Supplicated Velvet Thunder Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Well, Matt, I def suggest you look more into the literature... nocirc.org until we stayed at our friend's house (guess she ended up being our tour mom in more ways than one, we told her and ChuckVegas we got engaged before we told our parents lol) in CO til we found our own place (she has been working on this issue since the mid 80s and helped form the above website) we had no idea that this was such an issue. in debate in high school I did a bit about female circumcision, and in that issue, since it is a higher problem in Africa than elsewhere (well, immigrants, too), it has been relegated to a sadly top down western enforcement approach where countries that have not "banned" the practice do not receive aid. However, in programs like the Tostan program, African women got together crossing tribal and country borders and began to talk about this "horrible secret and shame" they all shared, and things began to change in those communities where the women said "ENOUGH." AT THE SAME TIME, the US remains the ONLY country in the world that basically pushes the procedure on every new parent of a baby boy with NO medical grounds. (Hence: BRAINWASHING, believing things because an "authority" told you so, refusing to question for yourself or seek proof.) And since I am American, I feel it's my duty to talk about it. The religious grounds have even slipped away, (thanks Lisa for mentioning the fact that this is an AMERICAN, no longer a JEWISH phenomenon) and now the procedure continues (like TOO MANY THINGS in the medical community specifically, and the scientific community in general due to the need to keep budgets high, and cash rolling in on a simple, but expensive, procedure, and to keep certain names at the heads of departments). Many men (as Matt alludes to) end up being circumcised because their fathers were and most mothers leave it up to the dad. WELL, that is just crazy, forcing mutilation on a child because his father endured it is absolutely insane and cruel in every sense of each word. The LONG TERM psychological effects on a man who was cruelly abused by his own parents within weeks, even moments of birth are going to be hard to measure in society, but with some intuitive, heartfelt thought on the subject, the ramifications may just be a little staggering. There needs to be more research. There need to be more mothers that say NO and more fathers that recognize what was done to them and don't allow it to happen to their sons. The penis is much more sensitive if you aren't cut, therefore the nerve to nerve connection between partners during intercourse has the potential to be much more rewarding for both partners, and the man may be less likely to um, JACKHAMMER AWAY because he can actually feel what he is doing.... not always a problem, but for many it is. Not to mention the wilting penis of advanced years maybe staying more perky if it wasn't cut. Who knows? have fun Oh, and if you want a "YAY FORESKINS" bumper magnet which is a cartoon of a leaping uncut penis, she says it will make cops not wanna pull ya over cause you'll look crazy so let me know if you want one, or contact Dolores from the website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Supplicated Velvet Thunder Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 oh yeah, and chics def don't care as much about your penis as you do. (duh!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP chuckvegas Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 And to think this thread started off as a discussion about getting things off your chest. So maybe time for a discussion about the socio-economic and psychological ramifications of the brassiere? Thoughts? Poll? Vote in the SF City Council? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Mango Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Coming from a Jewish family, I was snipped I don't personally care either way about it but if I had a kid I wouldn't go there. But i'm not gonna have kids.... ....and on a another note... Anti-Abortionists. Mind your own fucking business and get a life. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP comesatime Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Multi Functions Brassiere !! I'm always ready to discuss these important issues ... this one is especially HANDY !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP arm Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 The religious grounds have even slipped away, It's a private matter for parents to determine, of course. Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure the religious grounds have not slipped away, unless they amended Genesis and I missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Teacher Matt Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 oh yeah, and chics def don't care as much about your penis as you do. (duh!) you are so so wrong... just ask the 2 I was with last night... ... but at least the entire board knows what kind of ding-a-ling Mr. Egg has ... yikes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP bs69 Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Well, Matt, I def suggest you look more into the literature... nocirc.org until we stayed at our friend's house (guess she ended up being our tour mom in more ways than one, we told her and ChuckVegas we got engaged before we told our parents lol) in CO til we found our own place (she has been working on this issue since the mid 80s and helped form the above website) we had no idea that this was such an issue. in debate in high school I did a bit about female circumcision, and in that issue, since it is a higher problem in Africa than elsewhere (well, immigrants, too), it has been relegated to a sadly top down western enforcement approach where countries that have not "banned" the practice do not receive aid. However, in programs like the Tostan program, African women got together crossing tribal and country borders and began to talk about this "horrible secret and shame" they all shared, and things began to change in those communities where the women said "ENOUGH." AT THE SAME TIME, the US remains the ONLY country in the world that basically pushes the procedure on every new parent of a baby boy with NO medical grounds. (Hence: BRAINWASHING, believing things because an "authority" told you so, refusing to question for yourself or seek proof.) And since I am American, I feel it's my duty to talk about it. The religious grounds have even slipped away, (thanks Lisa for mentioning the fact that this is an AMERICAN, no longer a JEWISH phenomenon) and now the procedure continues (like TOO MANY THINGS in the medical community specifically, and the scientific community in general due to the need to keep budgets high, and cash rolling in on a simple, but expensive, procedure, and to keep certain names at the heads of departments). Many men (as Matt alludes to) end up being circumcised because their fathers were and most mothers leave it up to the dad. WELL, that is just crazy, forcing mutilation on a child because his father endured it is absolutely insane and cruel in every sense of each word. The LONG TERM psychological effects on a man who was cruelly abused by his own parents within weeks, even moments of birth are going to be hard to measure in society, but with some intuitive, heartfelt thought on the subject, the ramifications may just be a little staggering. There needs to be more research. There need to be more mothers that say NO and more fathers that recognize what was done to them and don't allow it to happen to their sons. The penis is much more sensitive if you aren't cut, therefore the nerve to nerve connection between partners during intercourse has the potential to be much more rewarding for both partners, and the man may be less likely to um, JACKHAMMER AWAY because he can actually feel what he is doing.... not always a problem, but for many it is. Not to mention the wilting penis of advanced years maybe staying more perky if it wasn't cut. Who knows? have fun Oh, and if you want a "YAY FORESKINS" bumper magnet which is a cartoon of a leaping uncut penis, she says it will make cops not wanna pull ya over cause you'll look crazy so let me know if you want one, or contact Dolores from the website Passing legislation to make a relatively harmless proceedure such as this illegal is crazy. It is done for Religious and cultural reasons and does not harm anyone. The foreskin is unnecessary and therefore should be allowed to be removed, or not, depending upon the parents preference. Better to do it when they are to young to remember than later in life. I keep getting that SNL skit with the Rabbi in the Lincoln going through my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Supplicated Velvet Thunder Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 yeah, the people in Africa think the clitoris (often the entire inner labia) is "unimportant". so they cut it out. some people never have a problem. some women have to be cut open by their husbands after the wedding with a knife. in fact, I'm pretty sure most Americans found the clitoris to be unimportant until not too long ago, not that we cut it out, but considering that only recently has the concept of female sexuality actually being something worth discussing in places other than in the bedroom, while male sexuality as always been of PRIMARY PUBLIC IMPORTANCE, it really goes to show how far we have come, and how far we have to go. people don't think about mutilation that was done to them in the name of "religion" or what's worse, "the status quo" because it doesn't seem like mutilation if everyone you know has it done. what started as a religious practice transformed into a crazy American zealousness that had a lot more to do with keeping idle hands away from super sensitive parts (if you cut it, there is less pleasure, so you might jack off less) that has turned into a nation of mostly cut men, and I dare say there is a VERY deep psycological sadness in the male energy of this country that combines a sense of helplessness and, oddly enough, feeling "ripped" or "cut" inside..... birth violence leaves deeper emotional scars that transfer to the scars of the nation and if people deal with this as a part of coming to terms, it could be helpful. and I do have some discretion, you perves still don't know shit about Mr. Egg's "ding-a-ling" because although I am honest to the point of recklessness for myself, I would never post about his privates on a public forum. it just so happens I had sex before we met, surprisingly enough, and worked at the corporate level of adult retail (yes, porn peddling) for over 5 years, so I do have a lot of anecdotal and otherwise based evidence to support my claim that women don't care about your penis (as long as it has no bumps and is not horribly MISshapen), but they DO care what you do with it and about YOUR ATTITUDE about it. FUNNY thing is, it seems men DO CARE a lot about breast size (to bring this back around to CHESTS), and women don't care as much except when it comes to attracting men......... Men maybe care a bit more on average about sizes and shapes of things, whereas I'm pretty sure women care more on average about how people wear their package..... but it's not black and white or anything. eh, sorry if I offended anyone or made anyone uncomfortable! (there is a LOT of male energy on this forum, so I gotta be a girl, sorry) love ya'll!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP chuckvegas Posted July 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 That's one Chuck Berry song that I'm not sure the GD or JGB ever played. I could be wrong. But yep, certainly a testosterone-heavy forum. Of course, the distaff side does have "Woman Smarter" going on... as noted in prior discussions. Kudos to deadfan for bringing the board out of one of its periodic doldrums and getting everyone's creative juices flowing. Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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